Please! Do something about the Bournemouth Reef hype!!!

[Brent]

Good call Jimi.
True elegance in writing is saying lots & using the least amount of words to do so. Nothing's more tedious than a writer who think's he's a cunning-linguist.

My favourite MR line to-date "reports in surfing magazines and amongst the professional surfing area certainly suggest that reality is a priority and the reality of the near past is unfolding". WTF???

Sounds like MR has spent too much time listening to Tim Leary on an acid benders.

If anybody wants some reality about our reef, come & visit. Stare at the horizon at three reef-marker buoys with nothing happening between them. And then look up & down the beach to nice wee natural 1-3 foot peaks happening.

[Realwaves]

Brent

Dont get me wrong but M R and Kitesurfer are the only people trying to make a positive about this (what must be nearly classed as ) as criminal act. That leds me to believe that KS might be the other director of the company, you know the one with short mans syndrome.

Hey they are taking money from a country with little knowledge of surfing and very unsuspecting. Where will this company go next , I know ....

To India and use allocated Tsunami rescue funds to make another reef much to the discuss of the local fishing community.

I use the word KOOK but there are many more to discribe these people , whom are about to meet there very public demise.

See you soon fellas............. You Kooks

[market-research]

phew ! talk about a sensitive subject!

I have the skeleton of a pattern of events that all seem the same everywhere a "artificial reef " has been introduced as a "panacea" (pardon the pun) to everyones woes and difficulties with everything.

This one is exceptional in the way the estimated cost went from 500,000 pounds to $250,000 pounds (actually saving council money).

Then the wave size/quality was compared on a scale with (13ft) pipeline as a 5 compared to the pipe being a 8. A nice lttle seed to plant. It also had attached to it (a little virus) the "scientific finding" that waves "jump up" two and a half times when science tells them to.

Then another "worm" is added to that to suggest that knee heigh waves when "jump up" to be overhead "barrels" on the same instruction from "science' .

Further info sent to me suggests that such things do occur momentarily at a small place on a wave for an instant - like "the wedge" but it takes energy from the rest of the wave and I've now introduced another "virus" or "worm " with the word "wedge" as it like the pipeline suggest "amazing things" ( auto-suggestion)

The autosuggestion being that everytime the bournemouth reef is mentioned the"amazing feeling" of extreme surfing places contact the "hooks" and invoke (endorphins) when it comes to mind.

This is sophisticated "selling" of the most sophisticated kind.

Now after a time the "vulnerable ones" to such autosuggestion (all of us really) are saying "it will be so good when its finished" before its even taken as a official reality and at 250,000 pounds.

The very most vulnerable ones are also the most assertive ones who "push" and "push" for the "good feelings " of the autosuggestion.

Much like cigarette ,alcohol and other fashional things that we believe we "must " have to be complete the "push" is never-ending.

Now we get back to the price (250,000pounds) that once the entire town has gone down the "legitimate" path of an overall "revival strategy" . Also too far in that direction as real immediate "backlash" will occur if its paused at this point.

OOps i've got this video taken on a national science show that says all at Manganui are "stoked" with the reef there. Science shows cant be wrong can they?

Guess what now its 3M pounds over 10 times the price oops , what do you mean you are locked into to the strategy? sorry but we have a big task to make this reef right now and thats expensive. Thats a legitimate reason.
All the more reason to take care and time to complete it properly.

Now another little public thing emerges (also sent to me) and also on a web site from the contractor -they need a Engineer - but for working in the most extreme of environments to design and manage the project they dont need just any Engineer -they need a first year out Intern Engineer.
(to design small connections)

Another contributer has mentioned that the U-bolt's holding the "enterprise" to the ocean floor are "galvanised iron" . Two dissimilar metals in a salt solution form a "battery". A fast acting battery that has a oxygen "catalyst" to speed it up. The same source also said there are grades of stainless steel that are suitable for such critical works - so what was used? the cheap and nasty or the value and quality of service grade of material?

An marine engineer has said in answer to "-Ahh the time to construct is all the bolts have to last?" maybe -but that then means things 'flapping around " in the future and the time of construction if compared to other projects may be 2 to five years -when it may be judged as being "finished".

Its not fully finished to specifications has been reported to me as the reason other reefs dont work as how they are expected to.

there is a childrens story -the never ending story based on imagination and fantasy - i just hope that artificial surfing reefs dont end up in that category -but why would i think of such a comparism when reading and digesting all that I hear on this subject.

Sorry , this little project is just beginning as the information coming to light may be something that all the people who buy ASR's will want to know , check out its validity and then decide based on what they deem valid what they will spend money on.

Those that dont want to know - umm its a river in egypt and theres plenty of other forums where it can be talked about or other things of interest can be shared.

oh when i dont know what a word means i look it up in the dictionary and if I dont know how its use was intended I then ask - please feel welcome to ask if you think I have said something "misleading" or you wish its intention clarified.

M_R

[market-research]

sorry Brent

that is too many words and I am probably unintentionally "padding" this report that I am writing and need to be very careful as it just looks like "crap' if its overworded and ambiguous.

The editorial I saw in a leading surfing magazine was

"no more promises ! "

concerning improvements to surfing conditions in the ocean using sythetic or artificial means .

I guess that means everybody now knows.

That is the kind of succinct wording that counts.

and Roy I think "ocean implants' have the same ring about them as breast implants for women. Both meant to give a "false impression"
M_R

[Brent]

Hi all,
Well, this threads really several threads in one isn't it.
Marketing/Spin and reefs.
My interest really is in reefs only.

When our's was first proposed, I was fully supportive, I was as it was being constructed - even when it became apparent it was a train-wreck of a construction project. Afterwards I defended it (Roy will qualify this) as a valid science project and worth persuing to completion.
I still remain hopeful...
But if there is no valid 'surf' on this reef with our pending cyclone season, it'll be an interesting time for ASR in Mt Maunganui next year

What grates me, and my reason for starting this thread initally - was the hype. This hype was created by ASR themselves. From their very mouths. Almost word-for-word what they said here. They appear to have learned nothing. They are more interested in selling reefs than valid surf-science.

Little more I can say on this topic really. Again, good luck Bournemouth.

[kitesurfer]

Well, this threads really several threads in one isn't it.

No Brent i think several Alias's in one would be much nearer the mark.

KS

[kitesurfer]

a new photograph of the 'sand pile" would be nice KS?

M-R

My pleasure M-R.

Here's the latest available photo of the sand pile.



Taken at 3am this morning.

KS

[market-research]

brent,

The 'hype' you speak of is what marketing is, but in some instances by some devious and contrived means it can become manipulation and thats when a line has been crossed.

What I have learnt of ASR's is that they are only one of many tools to create surf circumstances. They also are one that a company owns a patent for. The others are all "unpatentable". So if you patent something you must be very serious about selling it to make a lot of money.

Money -the root of all evil. So its possible that the ASR's are only a money making vehicle -that seems to be becoming a "pattern" of behaviour of the people who sell "patented items"

Many people have been 'recruited' by manipulation to help them out in making that money. SomE refer to these a 'cult members' and where they help out is creating circumstances in public awareness of whats wanted then propogate the 'marketing strategy as a fifth column".

So thats where we get a very interesting question -has the money been honestly sought, gained and earnt.

Well if Bornemouth doesnt get what its been "promised" (the promises seemed to have changed along the way -the magnification factor is less than 2 now and only at a little spot on the wave for but a moment -at the expense of the rest of the wave.) There will be hell to pay from the locals in compliance and the public.

Other things promised will change as time goes by with even main company directors being 'told' to manage the hight expectations.

The company concerned will I am sure by the full force of contact law comply with the contact or not be paid. You can also be sure that some very, very astute legal 'eagles' are scutinizing it all to find any bit of "non compliance" before and after the signing.

Watch this space as I am not the only one going though whats happened with a "fine tooth comb" . My intent is not the same as the authorities that ensure "compliance" , but believe me and I'm not the only one on this blog saying it "they WILL comply" even if they are dragged kicking and screaming to the courthouse to take their judgement.

Thanks for the promp action KS but a daytime picture would also be nice.

M_R

"THEY WILL COMPLY"
"bournemouth will be happy"

[drowningbitbybit]

That leds me to believe that KS might be the other director of the company

F*ck, Chris got a promotion?

[kitesurfer]

That leds me to believe that KS might be the other director of the company

F*ck, Chris got a promotion?

So it would seem!

KS

[market-research]

Brent ,

if it doesnt work this cyclone season - you could always try and sell it on E-Bay?

By the way thanks for the writing advice it saved me a page of red cross outs and explanatives from my supervisor.

He just cant believe the story as real and offers his condolances. He said please dont judge acedemia by the action of a few bad apples.

A suggestion for the final "acceptance" of it not being usefull might be a "funeral service" on the beach for it and 100 surfers forming a circle on a calm day. How many people do you think will turn up? A carnival fete day and fund raiser for the local surf club and/or amenities on the beach might be a good recioient of the funds rather than "private enterprise".

Actually rather than being called "kooks" the reef guys might be best called "treckies"?

M-R


"he'll take you trips around the bay - bring you back the next day

t i m o t h y l e a r h y"

and you will be less your wallet - Dr's do that?

name the song and the group?

[Realwaves]

Brent dont let these spin doctors fool you.

Notice they have washed their hands of your reef blaming others for the problems, and now they are blaming others for the hype surrounding this reef and saying "contractually they will be punished if they fail to deliver" What BS they are only punished a fraction of their exuberant fee, 150,000 pounds if they dont deliver. The final payment.

As the world of surfing from professionals (whom already despise this company) to now a small town in England, these KOOKS will be punished for their "start to build OH TO HARD lets walk away and leave a pile of crap for the locals to stare at and wonder what went wrong", attitude.

These guys say they are oceanographers but all they are is ocean polluters.

Go away KOOKs back to your little Indonesian island (to which no doubt you will also wreck) . But keep watch as they are closing in on your antics .

[market-research]

"All concerned with the £2.6m project are hoping for a calm spell to allow the main phase of the complex engineering process - in which layers of matting half the size of a football pitch, with sandbags attached, will be laid on to the sea bed and then secured - to begin.

"For laying each section of the reef, we need it perfectly flat," explains construction manager David Neilson.

He heads a team of divers, boat crew and pump operators who have come over from his native New Zealand to do the work.

Pile of sand on Boscombe beach waiting to be pumped
The sand pile is an eyesore but it is all being pumped out to sea soon. Having installed two artificial reefs back home, he knows the pitfalls involved and says he is having to contend with "lots of variables".

But he is confident it will be completed on schedule - the work will take up to eight weeks and his company's contract with the town council stipulates that it must be finished by the end of 2008 - and will prove a success."

Advice I have sought has identified weaksness's in the construction strategy that will be highlighted in the future

1. it is correctly identified as a complex engineering process
2. there is not a qualified and experienced marine engineer amongst the team -which seems a shortfall in skills , qualification and experience
3.unconfirmed rumour has it that an "accountant" was responsible for the supervison of the two reefs in New Zealand - it is believed that David Nielson is a qualified accountant. he is possibly a very good accountant.

then

"Some of the more fevered speculation about the reef has claimed it will double the size of waves crashing onto the beach and bring a touch of Hawaii-style glamour to this rather genteel corner of the South Coast."

then quit contrary to ASR's directors advice ( mr meade has since retracted it) mr Nielson says that doubly wave size is "nonsense"

"This is nonsense, David Neilson points out, stressing that - unlike a dry ski slope - the quality of surfing will still depend on the weather.

The reef doesn't make waves. If there is no swell, it isn't going to do anything. It really breaks them where and how we want them."

this is the greatest piece of crap I have ever come across with 2.5 times wave height being talked about publically initially in the same sentence as comparing Bournemouths "5" potentual to Banzai pipelines "8". Then we have mr meade saying under his clients insistance (yes there are leaks there now) "it wont even be 2 times the wave height". And now Mr Nielson is quoted as saying its all a lot of nonsense as it may not break at all?
which is closer to the truth as all of the variables make the one in a lifetime event of pefect surf a more reliable event that any other promise or "little introduced misleading tale about 2.5 times the height etc"

So its a real case of what someone has said -take a town on the mediteranean and promise them a ski slope for that new snow that can be made that doesnt melt and you got a winner.

Any more manganuis , opanakes and bournemouths around for a "fleecing".

texas maybe?

M_R

[drowningbitbybit]

:)

[market-research]

Paul Clarke, from Bournemouth Surfing Centre, said: "We have been waiting for over 10 years for this day. It's a dream come true for the surfing community of Bournemouth."

"The reef will turn an unrideable knee high wave into a head high wave that peels perfectly for around 70m (230ft) in length."

and BLAH BLAH from ASR and their directors started the Virus that got into everyones headspace.


yes its a bit like that blah blah -but sadly emporers not wearing clothes has proved to be a virus infecting vulnerable communities.

I am getting to the stage of proving It all happened because of the BLAH BLAH origionating from ASR's directors themselves .

And the hardest thing to accept by the ones taken in is that it was obvious from the start but nobody wanted to know as it felt good to keep believing.

M_R

ps wait till I confirm some of the stuff arriving from South Africa, India and New Zealand -its explosive !!

Its possible that Local government regulations have been broken in all of this?

actually it may be that nobody on this post wants to know?

[Jimi]

Mate, to be honest, I doubt that anyone here is going to get excited about "stuff arriving from SA, India and NZ" regardless of whether you can confirm it or not.

Instead of focussing on the speculation surrounding the reef, just wait and see if it works!

Viruses??? I think you'll find there was nothing viral in the marketing strategy, and as for local government regulations being broken? I think you'll find that it was approved by the local government, and also approved by higher levels of government. There is enough oposition to the construction of a reef that I'm certain that legal aspects have been taken care of.

I no longer intend to read this thread, as it's wasting my time, and I hope the next "update" is to say the reef is finished (hopefully in the distant future).

[market-research]

thats one vote 4 NO!

m_R

[Realwaves]

See Mr ASR and your little sidekicks.

Again you spin such crap, that fact is people just want you and your company to go away. Take the hint and get away from the surfing industry.

You might be good with words by spinning your unfinished projects into some conquests BUT I tell you the results from South Africa , Australia and NZ dont support any of your dribble.

I hope your lawyers have been kind to you this time and you are conformed in each of these companies , because words out and things could get ugly.

Just do your best (Practically not words) , then do what you are reknowned for and WALK AWAY from a unfinished project.

Run dont walk as the truth is near.

KOOKS

[kitesurfer]

Run dont walk as the truth is near.

KOOKS

*plays x-files music*

KS

[market-research]

Mate, to be honest, I doubt that anyone here is going to get excited about "stuff arriving from SA, India and NZ" regardless of whether you can confirm it or not.

Instead of focussing on the speculation surrounding the reef, just wait and see if it works!

Viruses??? I think you'll find there was nothing viral in the marketing strategy, and as for local government regulations being broken? I think you'll find that it was approved by the local government, and also approved by higher levels of government. There is enough oposition to the construction of a reef that I'm certain that legal aspects have been taken care of.

I no longer intend to read this thread, as it's wasting my time, and I hope the next "update" is to say the reef is finished (hopefully in the distant future).

and jimi believes in the tooth fairy, father christmas and the max brothers "sanity clause".
His own neighboring council had the town planner "in bed" with the developers -all signed off and secure done to the rules and the "in bed " bit was not a figure of speach as she "was doing them all" and they got some real concessions in their planning permission - just a few extra floors here and there .

Relax Jimi the process is just so secure and the outcomes are always perfect -sorry to shake your confidence in the way things work or dont work.

Coco beach is added to the list of jefferies bay and india of how the idea of wonderfull secure outcomes for everybody is only an ASR away.

Correct it wasnt a headspace virus it was a worm and all the grommets became "bots" to be invoked when they were needed.

The cult of the "grommet bots' was invoked by a simple term -"show me you want this reef" its a quote from a web page sent to me invoking the "bots ' to collect money at street corners for them.

yes it is a "twilight zone ' story that is developing of how an acedemic planned "ten reefs in ten years , 100 in twenty" again from info sent to me - they were all to be patented ASR's with a 40% margin in each of them.

The virual empire existed for a while but all that exists now is the "bournemouth memorandum"

What a nice little story this is turning out to be world domination using the bots impreghnated thru the surfing mags and media with the "call of endless barrells " to activate them.

oops I'm tripp'n again on the thought of the acid. But all of the last paragraph actually played out in the masters mind.

i gotta watch myself here as even though the story unfolding is so interesting its really is just a little con that is sorting itself out with results.
M_R